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cycle carrier. why does no-one make a useful one?

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Pumairl
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

I only just read this thread, after putting on my bike rack on to the back of my LC last night (after taking off the spare wheel s/s cover and removing the rear wiper as it was stressed from the mounting bar that goes around the spare whell, then the straps that go behind the wheel don't cause the wheel is virtually flush) it fitted perfectly on my old pajero, after I had it on, I spotted that the front wheel of the bike would take the mirror off any car coming towards me  Shocked , so just rotated the bike around.lol, now to see if it stays on now, oh and the door opens too.

On a side note, any on fitted a whip arial to their bullbar?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:15    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pumairl wrote:
I only just read this thread, after putting on my bike rack on to the back of my LC last night (after taking off the spare wheel s/s cover and removing the rear wiper as it was stressed from the mounting bar that goes around the spare whell, then the straps that go behind the wheel don't cause the wheel is virtually flush) it fitted perfectly on my old pajero, after I had it on, I spotted that the front wheel of the bike would take the mirror off any car coming towards me  Shocked , so just rotated the bike around.lol, now to see if it stays on now, oh and the door opens too.

On a side note, any on fitted a whip arial to their bullbar?

Pete


i would happily carry upto 2 bikes on a spare wheel mounted carrier (and have). its the thought (and weight) of 4 that bothers me. remembering that 4 cycles will stick out further and produce more leverage upon the spare wheel carrier and the combined weight of around 50 kg WILL play havoc with the door hinges.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 20:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bosvark wrote:
Nordic Venture, I have the same problem, have to carrie 5 bikes, and there is no way the door hinges will take that weight and the weight of the bigger spare wheel.
I have build one earlier this week, painted it this afternoon and will fit the ratchet strap and rubbers to secure the bikes over the weekend.
The carrier piviots on a bracket thats bolted to the tow bar. When you lower the carrier with the bikes on , then you will be able to open the door about half way.
The carrier can split into sections, so easy to remove and store when not needed on a camping trip.
I will take some photos over the weekend which will give you a better idea of what I am on about.

Bosvark

Also looking forward to the pix.
Just thinking about how to fit 5 bikes.  Suppose it'll have to be roof or a small dedicated trailer.
Unless I can fab something to go on the hitch - as I said, pix/ideas are extremely welcome.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 0:18    Post subject: nor Reply with quote

only a 4 bike rack ..best i have seen so far...http://www.cyclestore.co.uk/productDetails.asp?productID=4366&categoryID=782
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 0:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, There

Here are some photos and a quick description of the set-up

I use 50mm square box section for the vertical bar that pivots in the tow bar bracket. (I still need to machine pins for all pivot and securing/locating points)The bottom pin is the pivot and the second one is to secure it in the vertical position. When second pin is removed, the vertical bar will pivot /lower down till bottom of vertical bar is wedge against the tow bar bracket.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/Bosvark-Safari/Bicyclecarriercomponents.jpg


http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/Bosvark-Safari/Bicyclecarriertowbarattchment.jpg


The top horizontal bar is 60mm box section and the angle iron pieces are 40mm and are recessed into the bar.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/Bosvark-Safari/Bicyclecarriercomponents1.jpg

To secure the bikes I use a tie down ratchet strap that’s hooked into a recess where the vertical and horizontal bars meet and the strap is then feed over the angle iron/bike top tube and under the pins ( 2” duplex chain links)
I also attached 2 tie down straps on the horizontal bar which I hook over the rear door to stop the rack from bouncing when the road gets a bit bumpy.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/Bosvark-Safari/Bicyclecarrierassembled-in-use.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/Bosvark-Safari/Bicyclecarrierassembled-in-use2.jpg

To open the rear door, I just take the weight by pushing back on the horizontal bar and then pull the second pin out from the tow bar bracket and lower the cycle rack. The door can then be open half way.


http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/Bosvark-Safari/Bicyclecarrierinaction-dooropen2.jpg

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/Bosvark-Safari/Bicyclecarrierinaction-dooropen.jpg

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/Bosvark-Safari/Bicyclecarrierinaction-dooropen1.jpg
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:27    Post subject: bike carriers Reply with quote

funny you should post this, i've spent the last few weeks googling the same thing. i'm going to a specialist race bike shop in barnsley for a roof carrier this morning prior to hols next week. this basically fork mounts the bike onto roof bars and is supposedly well secure. forty quid a pop so if you want four of these including roof bars you're looking at over 200quid !
my dilemma is that i am generally towing the caravan when taking the bikes anywhere so looked at roof mounts rather than tow mounts due to issues with clearance.
any guesses on how fuel consumption will suffer?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:59    Post subject: Re: nor Reply with quote

bushburywolf wrote:
only a 4 bike rack ..best i have seen so far...http://www.cyclestore.co.uk/productDetails.asp?productID=4366&categoryID=782



thanks, but this is still a door mounted carrier although it avoids puting the weight onto the spare wheel. if in fact it'll fit over the wheel.

cheers.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:03    Post subject: Re: bike carriers Reply with quote

dame wrote:
funny you should post this, i've spent the last few weeks googling the same thing. i'm going to a specialist race bike shop in barnsley for a roof carrier this morning prior to hols next week. this basically fork mounts the bike onto roof bars and is supposedly well secure. forty quid a pop so if you want four of these including roof bars you're looking at over 200quid !
my dilemma is that i am generally towing the caravan when taking the bikes anywhere so looked at roof mounts rather than tow mounts due to issues with clearance.
any guesses on how fuel consumption will suffer?

dame



dame. if these are thule pro series then yes they are very secure and easy to use. i have 2!!!! and  used to use them on the 'normal' car when i used to cycle race. on the landcruiser i sometimes use a roof box or carry a canoe.

thanks.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 20:06    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bosvark wrote:
Hi, There

Here are some photos and a quick description of the set-up

I use ......
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/Bosvark-Safari/Bicyclecarrierinaction-dooropen1.jpg

I am still eager to see your construction.  All the pix are removed, it says.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 22:58    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, Nor
If you click on the links in my post it will open the photos don't know why it said it was removed.

Dame, I will be towing a trailer some times aswell. I thnk there is enough clearance cause the bikes sit failly high up. And if need be I can always make the vertical bar longer to over come this problem. The good thing about carrying the bikes on the back is that you don't have to worry about heigth restrictions eg trees, bridges, entrances to sites and I don't think it will have the same effect on your fuel economy as when the bikes are on the roof.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:42    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bosvark

Really neat job...

I also had a problem opening the photos...
Lets hope this link works...
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 20:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is an update to the changes made to the bike carrier for the Colorado.
Nordic Venture asked if it was possible to modify the bike carries to drop down fully, so the rear door can be open completely.

So, after cutting off a few bits here and there and drill some more holes for pivot pins, I manage to get it to drop down with all the bikes on and open the rear door fully to have access to the boot or to be able to use the drop down table.


The only down side is that all the weight of all the bikes on the carrier will hang on the top tube of the largest bike on the carrier. Might have to fit two gas struts/linkages ( one end attached to the tow bar bracket and the other end to the vertical bar) to assist with the lowering.

You just have to be a bit careful when lowering the rack cause it weights quite a bit with all the bikes on it.
I had a trailer in tow and there was no problem, the bikes weren’t touching the trailer at any time during the trip and the road was quite bumpy and full of snaky bents.


After our trip it was evident we need more load capacity, so ordered some side extension for the trailer, but now I need to extend the vertical bar by 400mm to clear the trailer.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 23:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

A very nice piece of work to get around a real problem. I put bikes on the roof with the Thule mountings where you take the front wheel off and the fork lugs then lock in. Otherwise a real PITA.

However, looking at it you might want to get tape measure out and consider this:

"A vehicle which carries a load or equipment which projects beyond the rear of the vehicle or, in the case of a combination of vehicles, beyond the rear of the rearmost vehicle in the combination, more than-

(a)  2 m in the case of an agricultural vehicle or a vehicle carrying a fire escape; or

(b)  1 m in the case of any other vehicle."


If so:

"An additional rear lamp capable of showing red light to the rear and a red reflecting device, both of which are visible from a reasonable distance, shall be fitted to the vehicle or the load in such a position that the distance between the lamp and the reflecting device, and the rearmost projection of the load or equipment does not exceed 2m in the case mentioned in sub-paragraph (a) in column 2 of this item or 1 m in any other case. The installation and performance requirements relating to rear position lamps do not apply to any such additional lamp."

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si1989/Uksi_19891796_en_3.htm
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can get away with using a Fiamma board, I use one for the bike rack on the rear of my caravan and most Continental motorhomers and caravanners use them.

http://www.agentfiamma.co.uk/erol.html#363x0

See ALU-Signal or Plastic Signal under Carry Bike accessories.

Provided that your lights and number plate are not obscured.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 19:34    Post subject: Reply with quote

The top bar on which the cyclels are carried is 800mm long( thas carring 5 bikes) and the total distance from the rear window to the end of the top bar is 1150mm, when I'm not pulling the trailer I just hook a Light Board on.
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