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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 19:02    Post subject: Service time - how much and of what fluid?? Reply with quote

Hi all,

Time for me to do my service to my 54 plate 100 series Amazon 4.2TD.  Does anyone have official figures from Toyota on volumes of fluids and specific types for this vehicle?

I want to do engine oil, gearbox oil, transferbox oil, front and rear diffs and anything else I can think of, including the filters etc, so I need to know exact amounts and exact specs.  I will probably have sold the vehicle by the time the next transmission change comes up, so will be using the best stuff I can get my hands on, so dont worry about price.  Is there anything else I have missed, other than the AHC fluid and coolant??

Also, is there anything in particular about the auto transmission I should be aware of?  Come to think of it, is there anything at all I need to be aware of??

I was hoping to use a fully synthetic engine oil in a good low viscocity (5W30 type) as the winter will keep it a little thicker anyway due to the cold, but I dont want to adversely affect the engine and cause excess noise etc, as can happen when you use to thin an oil.

Any advice welcome here for the LC newbee.

Best wishes to all

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 21:11    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure about quantity but I use a synthetic oil in the engine that meets mb228.5 and ACEA E4 or their emmissionised versions. Currently use Morris Ring Free Ultra 10w/40 but have also used Fuchs Titan Cargo1040. These oils would probably be good for up to 100,000 miles but I drain every 10,000  Laughing  A 25 litre can lasts two oil changes with a bit spare.
Auto box gets any available ATF Dexron.
Transfer box gets universal tractor oil.
Diffs get EP90 or EP 85w140 depending on what is in the shed at the time.

Your five speed auto, assuming that it is an auto, is 'sealed for life'. Best changed with synthetic ATF at about 80,000 miles though. Only a fraction of the oil is actually drained so if you are really fussy you will get it power flushed. I wouldn't bother.

AHC fluid has to be Toyota brand as should the coolant, Toyota red.
Don't forget the brake fluid. Good old DOT4 there.

Then a couple of cans of reassuringly expensive Stella Artuois in the most important reservoir.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 21:25    Post subject: Reply with quote

dextron III  or 2 min not just dextron  Wink

stick to 10/40 when there talkign about cold with oil there talking -40 not Uk winters  some poeple on this forum have tapping or knocking when they drop to thiner oil's witch they didnt have on 10/40

I did a AHC flush right up in this forum some palce (2 tins of AHC fliud from toyota ONLY ! )

AT flush .....well your looking at droping it out the sump (about 4L )refill it run it throught the gears (to clean out old at fliud from the vaules ) drop it out again 4L refill it ... to totaly empty it is alot of work and about 12-16L of fliud ?

filters is a easy one  Cool

greese prop shaft's UV jionts etc under the car change your diff oil's refill the windscreen squerty bottle and you set  Razz
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 22:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

leon wrote:
dextron III  or 2 min not just dextron  Wink



I challenge you to find anything less than Dexron II and Dexron III is now the most common. They are backward compatable and none have never had a 't'.  Wink It is probably not the oil that the OP should use anyway and he should use whatever is specified for the five speeder which is more-or-less sealed for life I think, which probably means that it contains some synthetic type fluid.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 8:30    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can I suggest you change the brake fluid? It may be the original stuff still and that's now about 5 years old. You may get the master cylinder rusting if you leave it. You will need a litre of new DOT 4 stuff, possibly a bit more.

Be careful with the transmission fluid. The WS fluid is rather special and putting anything else in may be a bad idea (IMHO). It should be OK for about 80,000 miles but if you are close to that mileage or have been working it hard (heavy trailer or lots of muddy or sandy off-roading) you might want to change it early.You will probably need about 6 litres from Toyota. You may be able to syphon a fair bit out of the filler plug of remove some by disconnecting one of the cooler pipes. You won't get all of the 12-15 litres out this way but enough to make a difference. Repeat from time to time to keep it clean (every 10,000 miles?).

A similar story applies to the power steering fluid. I think you can disconnect the return hose to the header tank (plug the hole in the tank). Get someone to move the steering left/right to pump fluid (best to jack the front up a bit both sides on the chassis to reduce the load on the steering gear and tyres) while you keep topping up till the stuff draining from the hose looks like new.

New antifreeze? Drain - flush - top up with new. Fit a new thermostat as the same time if you want to do a good job.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wandering Willy wrote:
Can I suggest you change the brake fluid? It may be the original stuff still and that's now about 5 years old. You may get the master cylinder rusting if you leave it. You will need a litre of new DOT 4 stuff, possibly a bit more.

Be careful with the transmission fluid. The WS fluid is rather special and putting anything else in may be a bad idea (IMHO). It should be OK for about 80,000 miles but if you are close to that mileage or have been working it hard (heavy trailer or lots of muddy or sandy off-roading) you might want to change it early.You will probably need about 6 litres from Toyota. You may be able to syphon a fair bit out of the filler plug of remove some by disconnecting one of the cooler pipes. You won't get all of the 12-15 litres out this way but enough to make a difference. Repeat from time to time to keep it clean (every 10,000 miles?).


While we agree on the initial change, and maybe on one more change at 10k miles, the next change could well be at another 80,000 miles and that would probably be it forever.

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A similar story applies to the power steering fluid. I think you can disconnect the return hose to the header tank (plug the hole in the tank). Get someone to move the steering left/right to pump fluid (best to jack the front up a bit both sides on the chassis to reduce the load on the steering gear and tyres) while you keep topping up till the stuff draining from the hose looks like new.

New antifreeze? Drain - flush - top up with new. Fit a new thermostat as the same time if you want to do a good job.

Willy


You would change the steering oil? Personally wouldn't bother. If the rack seals or anything else fails then the oil would be changed anyway and that is soon enough for me considering that it has never had an official sheduled change interval.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 19:41    Post subject: Reply with quote

I changed my  steering fliud as its like brake fliud ingress of water over time costs pennys to do so cant go wrong

wile  Dexron II and Dexron III is now the most common as you pionted out i beleave it gose up to dexron IV in the new LC's and as Adam seems to know little bout it i just thought i'd piont out its dexron III he wants (can see adam now "can i have some dexron fliud plz " ..."witch one 2,3 or 4 ? " " i dont know  Embarassed  ) It will have the fliud needed stamped on the AT box dipstick by the way Adam incase it is the newer IV fliud or sumit else

agree with Willy change the brake fliud i did a wright up on that to in here some place i beleave alow i used 4 litre's of DOT4 gave eatch corner a right good flush
I just used a premium fliud but now wish i had used "castrol responce " fliud as my pedal could be more ferm (mebe i need steel brake line's ? )
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 20:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

leon wrote:
I changed my  steering fliud as its like brake fliud ingress of water over time costs pennys to do so cant go wrong



I have never heard of water ingress being a problem with power steering. As long as the oil looks OK in the reservoir it is fine. In brakes of course it could boil off near the pads causing total brake failure in the extreme. But brake fluid is hygroscopic while AFAIK that is not the case with steering oil and even if it was there is no safety issue. I'm sure that if it was needed it would be part of the service schedule. I've also no doubt that clean oil is important but the point I am making is that before the ps oil becomes a problem it is likely that it will be drained and replaced anyway due to some non-lube related failure. Its a free world though and if anyone feels it should be done, go for it.

Should say that I live a sheltered life and while I know of DexronII and DexronIII and even the new and rare synthetic DexronVI, I've never caught sight of Dexron IV or V.   All Dexron oils are backward compatable so there is no disadvantage in using the higher standard. It is a GM standard adopted by many others.
+4 ATF is a Chrysler standard and is not to be used where Dexron is specified. DexronII or III is specified for earlier Land Cruiser auto transmissions but I presume that the sealed-for-life newer jobbies need something a lot better which I suspect is not a Dexron or a Mercon V but a TIV. Beware that this is speculation and in the five speed and more autos, only use the type of fluid recommended by Toyota
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 22:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok so what if some noob toped it up with water ? or the wrong fliud was added at some piont ......only way to be happy is to swop it out
(forgive my IV instead of VI still look on the dip stick to be 100% )



as for what AT fliud you may enjoy this read Huw  thread on AT fliud
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1998-2000? - Dexron III - Lots of Aftermarket options
2000?-2003 - Toyota Type-IV - Valvoline Maxlife, Mobil ATF 3309 and Amsoil (Synthetic)
2003- - WS (World Standard) - Don't worry it's a "Lifetime" Fluid

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 22:39    Post subject: Reply with quote

leon wrote:
ok so what if some noob toped it up with water ? or the wrong fliud was added at some piont ......only way to be happy is to swop it out
(forgive my IV instead of VI still look on the dip stick to be 100% )



as for what AT fliud you may enjoy this read Huw  thread on AT fliud
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1998-2000? - Dexron III - Lots of Aftermarket options
2000?-2003 - Toyota Type-IV - Valvoline Maxlife, Mobil ATF 3309 and Amsoil (Synthetic)
2003- - WS (World Standard) - Don't worry it's a "Lifetime" Fluid


Yes, it appears that WS type ATF is needed on newer ones. Time will tell which alternative fluids are suitable. Since its a for-life fluid [read that to read as '100,000 mile fluid] the only difference to other for-life fluids are likely to be the viscosity and the friction performance - some fluids make for a sharper change than others and their suitability depends on the transmission design and software.
As for steering oil, if some noob had topped it up with water then the oil would be milky and there would soon be a mechanical failure, either way the oil would be changed anyway. Indeed if it needs to be topped up at all there is likely to be a leak that needs attending to so the oil would be changed anyway as a consequence of the repair.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 20:32    Post subject: Reply with quote

Huw wrote:

Then a couple of cans of reassuringly expensive Stella Artuois in the most important reservoir.


I like the cut of your jib Hew
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