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andy Moderator
Joined: 16 Dec 2003 Posts: 2260 Location: Polegate, Sussex, England.
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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 18:40 Post subject: Does the 120 series D4D have a 12 or 24v starter? |
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Does the 120 series D4D have a 12 or 24v starter. _________________ It's Not a Bl**dy Jeep it's a Landcruiser
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Landcrusher Lifetime member
Joined: 21 Oct 2005 Posts: 2689 Location: Chesterfield, East Midlands
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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 20:11 Post subject: |
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12v. But two batteries in parallel not series, so you get a 12v whammy battery in effect.
LC _________________ HDJ 80 but still a 90 owner at heart (yeah right!) |
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dannyson ****
Joined: 26 Sep 2008 Posts: 448 Location: Cornwall
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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 21:50 Post subject: |
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I read in 'which' magazine I think it was, that a car battery lasts on average 3 -4 years. So my 6 year old LC4 is due two new ones? Plus the wifes 4 year old corrolla? |
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Landcrusher Lifetime member
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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 22:22 Post subject: |
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Have read the post, Andy (on the other forum). I think that one of the reasons for having two batteries, is because the majority of LCs are actually autos. One thing that you can't do with an auto is bump start it. Having two batteries ensures a pretty much 100% reliable start. However, I think as we have all discovered, it tends to mask one of the batteries starting to fail and then it's too late. Despite the expense, I would always replace the pair, unless the failure was due to damage. I don't think that the draw on an LC for heated this that and the other is any more than it would be on a Mondeo, for example. It's essentially about having the umph to turn over a big engine. As you pointed out, the mechanic is definitely wrong. UK spec 120s are not 24 volt. The 24v 80s have a warning sticker under the bonnet and have a solenoid to do the switching. My buddy has a 2.4 Hilux. It's definitely 12v and has 2 batteries. But as for electronics, he's lucky to have a radio in it. There is nothing there to power. So I really think it is about starting, not like the chap who said it was about heated seats or whatever.
My shortie only has the one battery - but all UK shorties are manual. As there are some Prado autos about, it would be interesting to know if they have two batteries as a rule.
LC _________________ HDJ 80 but still a 90 owner at heart (yeah right!) |
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4runner ****
Joined: 25 Mar 2009 Posts: 340 Location: Aberdeenshire
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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:54 Post subject: |
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my longie auto FX-trim colorado only has the 1 battery (and only wiring for 1 too)
whereas my UK 4runner had 2 _________________ -------------------------------------------------
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Landcrusher Lifetime member
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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:05 Post subject: |
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Make sure you park on a hill then, heh heh.
LC _________________ HDJ 80 but still a 90 owner at heart (yeah right!) |
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Nuclear Chicken Lifetime member
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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:03 Post subject: |
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I think the two batteries are a belt and braces approach and will help when the weather gets cold, like where UKvette used to be in Scandanavia. Besides, maybe it's easier to fit two 'small' batteries than one big mother! _________________ '04 KDJ120R LC5. Died 17th Dec 2010. RIP. |
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garystockton Lifetime member
Joined: 17 Apr 2005 Posts: 1190 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:17 Post subject: |
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Does anyone know what the amp rating (CCA) is on the std batteries? I've got batteries that I'm sure are after-market - have a big 'GS' on the side and a bunch of Japanese kanji on top and a sight-glass to check charge state, but that's it.
I'm also pretty sure the 'GS' wasn't put there specifically for me, but you never know
Gary _________________ I'll be more enthusiastic about encouraging thinking outside the box when there's evidence of any thinking going on inside it.
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Nuclear Chicken Lifetime member
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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:21 Post subject: |
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All it gives in the handbook are quick and slow charge rates of 15A/5A respectively. No Ahr details. I'll have a butchers through my PDF technical stuff and see if there is anything. Back in a mo! _________________ '04 KDJ120R LC5. Died 17th Dec 2010. RIP. |
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Nuclear Chicken Lifetime member
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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:29 Post subject: |
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Sorry, nothing there in all the technical stuff. Ask someone with a newish LC and see what was fitted by Toyo. Mine look to have both been changed and are both different. _________________ '04 KDJ120R LC5. Died 17th Dec 2010. RIP. |
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Landcrusher Lifetime member
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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 13:35 Post subject: |
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I seem to recall that they're about 650 aren't they?
LC _________________ HDJ 80 but still a 90 owner at heart (yeah right!) |
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Joined: 18 Mar 2009 Posts: 16 Location: Rotherham
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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 14:03 Post subject: |
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Our Prado SWB auto only has one battery, where as my exLC11 2.4td had 2.
CCa of pseent battery is about 550cca it's one I used to have on my Dakar This will be changed out before the winter I'll be fitting 110amp Lumax.
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Landcrusher Lifetime member
Joined: 21 Oct 2005 Posts: 2689 Location: Chesterfield, East Midlands
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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 14:19 Post subject: |
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I fitted a second battery to my swb and I have a BIG battery as the main. That one is about 700 CCA and the aux is 650. So combined I have a big reserve. But as they got boiled, they are struggling a bit. I see a crunch coming and may go to a couple of Optimas if I can afford them. Got home after 2 weeks hol and with ignition on, the main battery was on the last led on the IBS system. It started first turn! I knocked it off and them put all the lights on until the battery was flat, then tried the crossover function on the mgt system to link in the aux, no problem. Turned over easily. If I really got caught, I suppose I could rip out the leisure batter from the boot and stick that in. Of course being manual, I could get someone to give me a shove. If my mgt system failed, I wonder if I could winch my truck in gear and give myself a bump start?????
LC _________________ HDJ 80 but still a 90 owner at heart (yeah right!) |
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Crispin *****
Joined: 09 Jun 2009 Posts: 685 Location: Welham Green, Hertfordshire, England
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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 15:57 Post subject: |
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Landcrusher wrote: |
As you pointed out, the mechanic is definitely wrong. UK spec 120s are not 24 volt. The 24v 80s have a warning sticker under the bonnet and have a solenoid to do the switching. My buddy has a 2.4 Hilux. It's definitely 12v and has 2 batteries.
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Open the bonnet of a 120 and look up. There is a sticker which warns these two batteries are connected in parallel and both must be disconnected.
Only just noticed the sticker a couple of days ago... Maybe the mech who saws it's 24v was to short to read it? _________________ Cheers,
Crispin
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